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RB October Festbier 22 pt 3

193 calories 17.3 g 12 oz
Beer Stats
Method: All Grain
Style: Festbier
Boil Time: 90 min
Batch Size: 11.5 gallons (fermentor volume)
Pre Boil Size: 12.5 gallons
Post Boil Size: 10.5 gallons
Pre Boil Gravity: 1.054 (recipe based estimate)
Post Boil Gravity: 1.064 (recipe based estimate)
Efficiency: 61% (brew house)
Source: Aha
Calories: 193 calories (Per 12oz)
Carbs: 17.3 g (Per 12oz)
URL: https://dominioncup-jrhb.org/
Created: Monday October 3rd 2022
Amount Fermentable Cost PPG °L Bill %
17 lb American - Pilsner17 lb Pilsner 37 1.8 55.3%
12 lb American - Vienna12 lb Vienna 35 4 39%
14 oz German - Acidulated Malt14 oz Acidulated Malt 27 3.4 2.8%
14 oz German - CaraFoam14 oz CaraFoam 37 1.8 2.8%
30.75 lbs / 0.00
Amount Variety Cost Type AA Use Time IBU Bill %
2.50 oz Hallertau Mittelfruh2.5 oz Hallertau Mittelfruh Hops Pellet 3.75 Boil 45 min 15.1 62.5%
1.50 oz Hallertau Mittelfruh1.5 oz Hallertau Mittelfruh Hops Pellet 3.75 Boil 10 min 3.25 37.5%
4 oz / 0.00
Mash Guidelines
Amount Description Type Start Temp Target Temp Time
10 gal Strike 152 °F 152 °F 60 min
6 gal Sparge -- -- --
Starting Mash Thickness: 1.5 qt/lb
Starting Grain Temp: 75 °F
Omega Yeast Labs - Lutra Kveik OYL-071
0.50 Each
Attenuation (custom):
Optimum Temp:
68 - 95 °F
Fermentation Temp:
Pitch Rate:
0.35 (M cells / ml / ° P) 221 B cells required
0.00 Yeast Pitch Rate and Starter Calculator
CO2 Level: 2.47 Volumes
Target Water Profile
RO half diluted henrico county va 23233 sept 2020
Ca+2 Mg+2 Na+ Cl- SO4-2 HCO3-
13 2 8 5 6 36
Mash Chemistry and Brewing Water Calculator

just brewed last night had FG crush grain got better efficiency and volume, OG 1068 on 10.5 gallons for 61% (last batch on my mill was 51%), added maybe a gallonand a half watered it down to 1059. still could come out too malty sweet....if it hits 1011 it may be sweet from the tap water FG and lowered hops. if it ferments down to 1007 like it has before it may be less sweet but could be too boozy thick. sigh


reworking this recipe yet again after tasting the first batch which is too thin.

for this, i think the plan will be

  • increase grain bill to 6%
  • mash at 150
  • keep half and half water
  • adjust hops according to original recipe
  • plan for an hope for lutra fermenting at 80% down to 1.011....in the past ive experience like 73% eek)

    there are a lot of things id like to change. should not do them all at once, but here they are :
  • all tap water
  • two mashes - mash thickness playing a role?
    ** supposedly got 70% efficiency on G40 5 gal batch early '22
  • brew 5 gallons
  • reduce bittering hops
  • more mash changes - even higher? 153? seems high
  • have FG mill the grain


    1. Brewed again double mill still bad efficiency but a little better. Sparged 6 gallons g40 was maxed out still a little under volume. 45 min mash at 152. Ugh.

      brew day last night awful eff new mm3 maybe to blame but did entire mash in the g40 that also maybe to blame. Prob needed to collect more wort. Boiled total 2 hours to try to boost grav and came out with only 9 gals. Anyway this will be lighter than intended but probable ok.
      this recipep pretty universally people said was too sweet. lets try to dry it out. try to knock down the OG and prob want to mash as low and long as possible. maybe 149 for at least 60-75 mins. last brew was over 6%abv lets go for like 5,7=6.0

      for water i am diluting tap with RO and it pretty much matches pilsen light lager profile with no adjustments so lets go with that. there is also a munich profile which might also be more fitting but it said for marzen and maibock, darker maltier versions so lets just try this.
      plunder contest judges scored it 28 and said it was too sweet, which i can kind of get. we shall see what NHC said. need to check FG from notebook. it is delicious but also could probably be crisper and more conduscive to festival drinking, would also like it to be a little more yellow. consider scaling the malt bill down just a little.

      scaling down to 5.5 gallons, rounding off grain amounts. gonna run it with regular tap water as i did before!

      adjusted hops slightly for even amounts and to fall within middle of the ibu range

      setting up for winter/spring 2022 hopefully submission to NHC.

      adjusting for equipment and volumes for G40. adjusting abv a little lower per guidelines.

      removing 2row.

      consider dropping to 1.0 qt/lb to fit in G40. will need to sparge with 8 gallons...

      NEED TO do water profile for this.

      rebrewed this for 2021. did not enter any contests or even bottle/can any. was on draft in the garage for several delicious months.

      did not take any notes for the 2021 batch so i assume i pretty much brewed it the same.

      won gold medal malty european lagers category in 2020 JRHB Dominion Cup.
      brewed last night. mostly went well. started with 12.5 gallons wort as planned but it easily boiled down to about 10-10.5 gallons. could collect more wort next time or boil softer. first gravity reading was 1.070 and i was at about 8 or 8.5 gallons after trub filtered out. topped up with tap water. chilled overnight in ferm chamber and pitched in the morning.

      brew day. tried to mess with water calculations a little. not really sure what to use for festbier/oktoberfest. playing with balanced profile. ran into the HCO chalk issue again, not sure how to fix. looks like i could make it work with "light colored and malty" profile. going to need 16 or more gallons mash/sparge water, might just run it with tap.

      i think i am going to go for it with this thing. today adding some acidulated malt based on henrico guess profile to hit pH, hopefully i will remember to take a reading.
      todo :
  • what to do about head retention?
    adding .75lb carafoam for foam and head retention
    * https://beerandbrewing.com/d-lite-festbier-recipe/
  • how much yeast?
    according to yeast calculator (depending on the mfg date) i need 4 packs plus a 4L 1.050 starter, pound and half of DME decanting, etc.. yikes! yeast alone would be like $35.
    alternatively, i have a lot of 34/70 from two batches that i could use...
    brulosophy compared german bock lager yeast with 34/70 and eventually could barely tell difference :
    * http://brulosophy.com/2016/07/21/yeast-comparison-saflager-w-3470-vs-wlp833-german-bock-lager-exbeeriment-results/
    im learning that 34/70 is equiv to WY2124 and WLP830 some say the white labs come out different.
    i think i might just keg the two lagers i have in chamber and rack the 10gal batch on top of the cakes...? or maybe half cakes? after some reading, seems about right. some say only 1/4 cake. at end of fermentation slurry contains about 6x cells. that is 600 billion per 5 gal batch. i need 717 billion for 10 gallons, so 358 billion per 5 gal bucket, divided by 600 = 0.58 so i need 58% of each of the yeast cakes.

    todo :
  • consider some crystal malt - no head retention...possibly some light munich

    festbier flavors developed nicely however the beer was way too malty sweet probably because it was up over 7%abv. modifiying recipe down to 5.5% abv.

    breakdown on previous recipe formulation :
  • i kind of customized a lot. the original aha recipe is only remotely close. but it was designed for 5.8%. i probably just aimed higher than i should have and came out even higher than planned.
  • hop adjustments - reduced the hop contribution a little bit to land in the middle of the IBU range but also adjustments to bump up the BU/GU ratio (0.38 previously, currently its at 0.48)
  • i got to 1.010 with 85% attenuation. for the updated recipe this attenuation results in 1.007. id considered doing some crystal malt, but lets just do a 30 minute mash and see what that does.

    just went into cold crash after 9 days at diacetyl based off of beer & brewing article. other places im seeing say only 2 days is needed. would prob benefit for more time in cold crash (if time is of essence). not sure if it hurts to have it at rest temp for longer tho.
    i think i am going to retry this to have ready feb 1. took a pound off the grain bill to lower the abv to more standard level.

    for fermentation and diacetyl rest strategy :
    we are going out of town in a couple days so if i get this brew done before i leave, i will probably just let it go for 6 or 8 days at 50 then slowly raise it up to 55 when i get back. keep it there for another 3 days then cold crash until feb.

    alternatively beer and brewing suggests something like this :
  • 50deg for first 48 hours
  • raise one degree each day for 10 days
  • on day 11, allow temp to free rise to (warmest temp in brewery, but lets just say 70)
  • 9 days later start the cold crash

    i was considering cold crashing for only a couple days then moving to keg. ive read other places tho that it can benefit from sitting on that yeast cake all that time. on the other hand it would be nice to get it into a closed safe clean keg....???idk

    update 10/20/19
    this beer is way off. i thought it was too malty sweet but i think it is actually diacetyl (or possibly DMS but diacetyl would make more sense) - i pitched the wort on top of oktoberfest yeast cake that had been sitting (in a covered bucket in cold ferm chamber, but...) for several days, maybe even a week. also i went away in the middle of fermentation and wasnt able to ease it up to diacetyl rest temperature properly accordinig to the schedule written out below. need to retry this with 1) proper fermentation schedule 2) fresh or uncontaminated yeast 3) try the original recipe? i think with no malt changes on my system it will still come out at 6%
    update 10/7/19
    ugh looks like this will accidentally come out at 8%. fermented down farther than the average for this yeast. (avg 75% shouldve been 1.018 but its 1.011 at 85%) (i did pitch right onto the cake from oktoberfest so shouldve been a lot of cells). i brewed this first on a double brew day so the mash was sitting for the full 60 if not longer. i was actually away at gabf so didnt do the exact procedure below, but rather rest the chamber for on the morning of day 4 before i left town. on the morning of day 7 i measure 1.011 and turned the chamber back down to 35. consider diluting before kegging?
    basically took the recipe word for word. 90 minute boil because of the pilsner malt, will utilize that time for more IBUs with less hops via FWH. https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrew-recipe/pickelhaube-festbier/

    for diacetyl rest, copied from virginia lager recipe :
    going to do byo fast ferment approach janFeb2017. reread but start at 44-50 let fermentation go 50% then (remove the probe from the fermentor let it reach ambient temp then...?) raise temp 5 degrees every 12 hours til you get to 65-68. once you get 100% you can crank down to lager temp (<40) for 3-5 days then you done. this will take care of diacetyl rest and apparently gets the lager completely done in 2-3 weeks.

    sources :
  • https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrew-recipe/pickelhaube-festbier/
  • https://beerandbrewing.com/make-your-best-oktoberfest/
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