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I have a pond pump, 2700gh in my keg washer, it has a 3/4 cp ball inlet, the ball is about 1.5" round, it washes fine
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i dont know it is not listed on the website.
you need enough pressure to spin the ball and ensure that the chemical and water is hitting the entire inside of the tank.
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i mean dont you use some manometer to know the presure wen you cip
Nope just confirm that the interior is getting wet.
I push water through my blow offs which have pressure gauges on them but they dont register more then a couple psi since the water is flowing past them
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Hello everyone!
Need some help here..
Just brought my first chemicals and the instructions for the sanitizer confuse me...
The sanitizer I brought is hydrogen peroxide / peracetic acid-based, I call this guy from the company to ask some questions and he told me that after last cip spin with this I need to rinse the tank with tap water.
So what's your opinion? He saying that also the big breweries use this system
Not sure if I have the correct sanitizer, I don't feel safe to use water before beer..
Need some help here..
Just brought my first chemicals and the instructions for the sanitizer confuse me...
The sanitizer I brought is hydrogen peroxide / peracetic acid-based, I call this guy from the company to ask some questions and he told me that after last cip spin with this I need to rinse the tank with tap water.
So what's your opinion? He saying that also the big breweries use this system
Not sure if I have the correct sanitizer, I don't feel safe to use water before beer..
I think you will find "most" home brewers use Star-San which uses food grade phosphoric acid and is definately "rinse free"! Not sure about the peracetic acid based sanitizer you have. That said, I have used other sanitizers that were not rinse-free and did rinse them with tap water without any affect to the beer.
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Star San is good but in big tanks with cip balls need to use something no foam and strong.
I'm afraid that if I rinse making waste the sanitation..
I'm afraid that if I rinse making waste the sanitation..
i use PAA.
I have never used a hydrogen peroxide PAA. A quick research on the gurgler says that is just PAA. it is a very good leave in sanitizer. i would shoot for the middle of the range based on volume. I spin mine cold after i have used Caustic and acid. a 30 min spin. reassemble the door and parts at the 15 min mark. push out the liquid sani with CO2 and leave the tank under about 5 psi before you dump pressure to begin knocking out into it.
be sure to bleed it out of your racking arm port and if you can let it drip between out of gaskets that you cant disassemble that would be optimal.
Generally i assume a 24 hour shelf life on mixed sani before it just turns into vinegar water. but i am not really sure. The actual concentrated chemical also has a shelf life.
it will burn you and bleach your skin. it will also very quickly corrode anything most steels below 304. be careful with it as it is very concentrated. i use about 120 ml into roughly 10 gals of cold water.
IF it it is actually normal PAA and not something strange. It should require no rinse. Your chemical rep is incorrect. BUT confirm by reading the label and speaking with local pro brewers. PAA is a relatively uncommon sani outside of the food industry because it degrades fairly quickly even as a concentrate. and it is a pretty strong acid/oxidizer.
the label on the bottle should have 95% of the information that you need. I am assuming that it is in Greek. if it is in english you could post it on here and we could help.
I have never used a hydrogen peroxide PAA. A quick research on the gurgler says that is just PAA. it is a very good leave in sanitizer. i would shoot for the middle of the range based on volume. I spin mine cold after i have used Caustic and acid. a 30 min spin. reassemble the door and parts at the 15 min mark. push out the liquid sani with CO2 and leave the tank under about 5 psi before you dump pressure to begin knocking out into it.
be sure to bleed it out of your racking arm port and if you can let it drip between out of gaskets that you cant disassemble that would be optimal.
Generally i assume a 24 hour shelf life on mixed sani before it just turns into vinegar water. but i am not really sure. The actual concentrated chemical also has a shelf life.
it will burn you and bleach your skin. it will also very quickly corrode anything most steels below 304. be careful with it as it is very concentrated. i use about 120 ml into roughly 10 gals of cold water.
IF it it is actually normal PAA and not something strange. It should require no rinse. Your chemical rep is incorrect. BUT confirm by reading the label and speaking with local pro brewers. PAA is a relatively uncommon sani outside of the food industry because it degrades fairly quickly even as a concentrate. and it is a pretty strong acid/oxidizer.
the label on the bottle should have 95% of the information that you need. I am assuming that it is in Greek. if it is in english you could post it on here and we could help.
star san would not work because most modern brewing gear uses spinning "jet" spray balls or fixed spray balls that would instantly turn the whole volume of liquid into foam...you cant pump foam very easily.
they use the mechanical action from the spray ball to scrub the inside of the tank in the same way that your dishwasher cleans your plates. if you put dawn in your dishwasher....look up youtube videos of that....
I thought the question was regarding sterilization, not cleaning. My bad!
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You can get starsan without the foaming agent, i don't know how well it would work though.
PBW works best for me. heat it to 160F and let work
it was for sure about sanitizing. its just the foaming vs non-foaming.
didnt know they made a version without the foam. the PAA is very good, just dangerous.
PBW has its place, but it is not really potent enough for commercial brewing. We use Sodium Hydroxide(caustic). The dirt in big tanks can easily be over an inch thick. I do a 180f rinse and then a 30 min spin at 180f. use a flashlight to check the walls and then a hot rinse(180). switching to cold for the Nitric/Phos acid spin.
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this is the data sheet name of chemical is P3 oxonia active
to my eyes, that looks like standard PAA. did a quick google search and it is indeed a leave in sani, so no rinse post CIP. Sales guy is wrong.
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probably he was just a salesman.. makes no sense to put back tap water... anyway i saw the same thing googling stuff, But need to use very small solution 0,2-0,3% higher solution must be rinse (thats what i reead)
i use 100ml into 10 gals. look at the ratios and shoot for the middle of the range based on how much water you use for your sani spin.
it is also important with any chemicals to double check if they have different ratios for say passivation then for daily cleaning. be sure that you are using the proper range for your use case.
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100% Most breweries keep some starsan and PBW on hand. Its good for manual cleaning and for cleaning things that cant get hot. Plus its very good and safe for cleaning things like aluminum and bar stuff.
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what about all stuf of each tank? valves , gaskets, safety valve, sensores etc?
sould i clean everything separetly ? put it on a bucket or something ?
sould i clean everything separetly ? put it on a bucket or something ?
