Brewing with Ceoliac Disease

Discussion in 'General Brewing Discussions' started by Trialben, Dec 7, 2022.

  1. Donoroto

    Donoroto Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2020
    Messages:
    3,731
    Likes Received:
    6,417
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Retired Engineer
    Location:
    Atlanta
    Maybe in the oven to dehydrate at 50C only?
     
    Trialben likes this.
  2. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    Yeah this is what I did with that other batch.

    So dehydrate until a certain moisture % I think it was under 10% then you raise the kiln to 100c 4-5 hours for base malt 150 for Munich style malt

    The gist is raise temp to high in the drying phase you can kill the enzymes.
    If I read it correctly :).
     
    Donoroto likes this.
  3. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    Day 2 on the steep looks like the buckwheat might be growing a tiny little bit 20221223_081901.jpg
    The corn hasn't changed much.
     
  4. Ozarks Mountain Brew

    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    8,231
    Likes Received:
    5,851
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    IT Managment
    Location:
    The Ozark Mountains of Missouri
    that corn is probably very dry and might take a while
     
    Trialben likes this.
  5. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    Yup 4 soaks and air drys I'm working on.
    I might weigh the buckwheat before the over night steep just in case it's at 40% moisture...
     
  6. west1m

    west1m Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 10, 2019
    Messages:
    796
    Likes Received:
    1,826
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hastings, Minnesota
    I read somewhere someone was dehydrating lumber. Closed it up in a Styrofoam area and used a space heater and a room dehumidifier.
     
    Trialben likes this.
  7. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    Yeah I've been looking at solar dehydrators will probably come In useful for drying out other fruits and vegetables
    https://www.luckybelly.com/diy-solar-food-dehydrator/
     
  8. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    #108 Trialben, Dec 23, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2022
    For anyone reading through this Coeliac thread on brewing with Gluten free Grains this guy Andrew Lavery came up with the mash method for getting similar extraction from the gluten free grains as compared to barley.

    Also it looks like the best performer when it comes to Diastatic power in these GF grains Is Millet it seems like the GO To and has both Beta and Alpah Amylase as well as Limit dextrine which I learnt barley doesn't have which I've learned helps with breaking apart the branched carbohydrate molecules to make it accessible to Alpha and Beta Amylase to then " "cut in" to do their conversion. (My words listen to poddy for his explanation :)).

    This is eppisode 40 on Brulab if you wanna find the link in your go to listen podcast app.

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/4r...i=uNrHgkm9RLKk7wHg1JeU7w&utm_source=copy-link

    The method described in that pody is using enzymes in the GF grains and how to go about brewing best practice without using endogenous enzymes.

    The go to it seems so far in the GF brewing community is to add these endogenous enzymes to the mash to help achieve the best conversion without all the hastle of the above podcast method, the pre geletanisation then adding back of supernatant (Enzyme rich saved wort) to the geletized grains to begin the mash conversion.

    This poddy looks at the use of base GF grains in brewing https://open.spotify.com/episode/4r...i=zhay2ujQT_SnC_o46_2wcg&utm_source=copy-link
    For me personally I'll have a crack first at trying this adapted decoction method to make the starches available before using the enzymes but it looks to be the best approach especially if I want to use rice or other less enzymatic grains is to add Enzymes...

    Also I think my DIY malting is gunna be pretty crappy at first and really deficient in any enzymes.
    The corn and buckwheat I'm attempting to malt ATM are both really low in Enzymes and they both contain just one half of the Enzymatic group.
    I think it's Corn has a low amount of Alpha Amylase and the buckwheat has low amounts of Beta either or the other way around.

    Also buckwheat I've found is a thirsty bastard so you have to account for extra mash absorbtion it also can get pretty sticky is what I've read and heard.
    But it's the head retention qualities that I'm after.

    Anyhow I'll stop here.
     
  9. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    Looks like things are really getting going with the buckwheat. I weighed it and it was 1600g ish so 60% hydration give or take so I put it in a tray to start germination 20221224_064546.jpg
    That's it this morning you can see some roots I think growing. This warmed up a bit as well.

    I weighed the corn and it was 2800g 2000g to start with so around 40% hydration which is the guideline but i thought I'd give it another overnight soak just to make sure.
    This is it this morning not alot of change but I do see some slight differences in the kernel or Berry.
    20221224_065018.jpg
    Beauty looks like things are going to plan.
     
  10. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    20221224_174929.jpg
    Well I hope I'm not rushing things but this buckwheat looks done these shoots (I don't think their roots) are twice the size of the kernel so I'm popping them in the oven on low 50c ish to dry.

    Oh corn looks like it's springing to life
    20221224_173758.jpg
     
  11. Donoroto

    Donoroto Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2020
    Messages:
    3,731
    Likes Received:
    6,417
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Retired Engineer
    Location:
    Atlanta
    Nice Ben, plant a couple for next year. I am happy for your (so far) success.

    Word to the wise: don't try floor malting unless the wife is away. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    :p true that Don !

    Today's Christmas malting

    I left this on The work van dash to sun dry:D.
    20221225_103649.jpg
    Buckwheat.
    Now I've got it at 100c in the oven attempting some Vienna style malt 20221225_173447.jpg
    As for the corn it's not far behind after the festivities today I came home to this 20221225_171144.jpg
    Looks like things are moving along I'll not be so hasty with this and let it germinate a little more before I throw it on the work car dash;).

    Oh any red berries I'm treating with suspicion until I can get a handle on this fasarium mould thing...
    Merry Christmas all might be brewing my 1st batch in the new year:).
     
  13. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    Here we go I increased the temp to 150c for another 40mins after reading Munich malt is 150 is 20221225_191717.jpg
    To me it smells and tastes like nutty biscuits.
    So maybe a biscuit style malt :rolleyes:
    Who knows it sure tastes promising :).
     
  14. Zambezi Special

    Zambezi Special Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    2,675
    Likes Received:
    6,679
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    In the hot Zambezi Valley
    Man, you are really going for it!
    Big kudu's to you
     
    Herm brews and Trialben like this.
  15. Bulin's Milker Bucket Brews

    Bulin's Milker Bucket Brews Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2019
    Messages:
    1,328
    Likes Received:
    4,146
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Carpenter
    Location:
    Wisconsin
  16. Megary

    Megary Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2019
    Messages:
    1,940
    Likes Received:
    5,573
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sure looks tasty!

    Nice job!
     
    Trialben likes this.
  17. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    Cheers Bulin yes I'm going to make full use of the sugars available to me.

    I'm thinking of making some Invert Sugar foe the first batch I do soon as I know I'll probably suffer badly in the Brewhouse efficiency department and hopefully the invert candy sugar will help boost gravity:)


    Corns looking great this morning
    20221226_072014.jpg
     
  18. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    14,197
    Likes Received:
    20,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    Drying corn in my Solar dehydrator :D
    20221226_102618.jpg
    20221226_101851.jpg
     
  19. jmcnamara

    jmcnamara Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2012
    Messages:
    2,574
    Likes Received:
    2,425
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Rosedale, MD
  20. Zambezi Special

    Zambezi Special Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2019
    Messages:
    2,675
    Likes Received:
    6,679
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    In the hot Zambezi Valley
    Looks like my bean sprouts ;)
    IMG_20221224_113952.jpg
     

Share This Page

arrow_white