Dunkelweizen

It is 13.25 with plenty of stuff that doesn't convert well. If I were using all Pils, that would be high.
I know the conversion % is low. That is why I programmed the recipe the way I did. The wheat did not like me, so I set the efficiency quite low. It is trial and error and I try to do what works
I ain't getting 80%. I learned that a long time ago, so I deal with it.
It is a hobby. I'm not going to get myself in a frenzy trying to save $3 on grain when time can be better spent at an actual brewery after the brewing is done.
I'm not concerned with the amount of grain. My question concerns the combination of the grain.
I hear you but I'm cheap
I I just built a dunklweissen "https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/embed/1635131"
I can make 3 kegs to your 2 so it's more than $3
But that's fine
 
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This is a dunkle that i did last year. but my recipes have changed ALOT since then.
https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/embed/1571016

this is a vienna lager that i fermeneted with mexican lager yeast and it is really really good.
https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/embed/1474638

as far efficiency goes, i shoot for 148 on my mash in plus i add lots of enzymes. i add rice hulls to everything.

Personally i would shoot to be around 30-40% wheat. if you build in things that have high DP you can help even your recipe out. i would certainly build in some 2row or pils.

I just saw this. been having some serious medical issues.
 
I hope everything is better with your health. I did build in a couple of pounds of Pils, but I wanted to get near the German 50% threshold for a Weiss. This much wheat is something different for me, and I was trying to learn a little something by playing around with a couple of ideas. Thanks.
It is much easier to screw up on my level than do it on a brewery level and have it cost a bunch. I set the efficiency really low in the program.
 
This is a dunkle that i did last year. but my recipes have changed ALOT since then.
https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/embed/1571016

this is a vienna lager that i fermeneted with mexican lager yeast and it is really really good.
https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/embed/1474638

as far efficiency goes, i shoot for 148 on my mash in plus i add lots of enzymes. i add rice hulls to everything.

Personally i would shoot to be around 30-40% wheat. if you build in things that have high DP you can help even your recipe out. i would certainly build in some 2row or pils.

I just saw this. been having some serious medical issues.
A Munich Dunkel and a Dunkelweissen are two different beers.
The dunkelweissen is lower ABV and has to be at least 50% wheat.
Also needs the weizen yeast
How much banana clove is up to you
@Sandy Feet has me interested
I'm basically darkening my Schneider Weiss for mine
 
The aromatic, special B and caramunich don’t belong. Replace that all with munich. Add in 4-5 ounces of melanoidin.

Just my opinion.
 
what makes you say that
I'd have him drop the percentages at least
https://byo.com/articles/dunkelweizen-style-profile-2/
I did want some of the plumby that you get in a Belgian. I think that might be interesting to mess with combining that with the banana/clove. That is why I had some of the specialty malts in there. I appreciate the article, and I might play around a little more. Now, I understand why they have the Carafa Special in some of those recipes, and I may do the same.
 
From some of the things I have seen online, I am not far out of style. Latest version tweaked:
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I have a wheat beer that is 90% white wheat and 10% cara10. It ferments just fine. Wheat has much lower diastatic power, but it isn't zero. ;)
Not sure where you get that Wheat has low DP. I've never seen a low spec from any malster. Briess Red & White each have 110 & 120 DP respectively. Rye is high like that too. 50% Wheat will easily convert anything you throw at the other 50%.
 
I'm have been playing around online if I decide to brew one. Much of what I am seeing uses a bunch of Dark Munich or an absolute shitload of Munich I. I assume I can bring up some efficiency with the wheat by adding some rice hulls to the bag. I am concerned that a high dose of the darker malts or an enormous amount of Munich I along with the wheat won't ferment very well. Do any of y'all have an idea of how I can get a somewhat fermentable wort and still be close to style?
Sometimes thing can be frustrating, but learning new shit and how to brew with wheat is good.
If you can get ahold of some Dark Munich 30 still, go for it. Though it may be hard to find, and unless it has been kept frozen, probably not very fresh. Briess used to make this and it could be used 100%. It made excellent single-malt Browns & Dunkels and Dunkelweisse at 50:50 with Wheat. I think Gambrinus makes one now, though it can't be used 100% like the Briess version, but that shouldn't be an issue with 50% Wheat in a Dunkelweisse. I haven't made the style in years, but if I were to do so again, that's the route I'd take.
 
With the wheat, my issues weren't getting the diastatic power. It was with the conversation in the mash. My OG sucked.
I thought I really fucked it up, but as I am drinking the Hefe, I got what I wanted with the clove balance. I just wish I got something a little stronger. This could be a Bob Ross happy mistake as I did learn something about the conversation and this is a yard beer as far as being sessionable.
I've never seen Wheat not convert, even at 100%. It has always worked for me like any other malt. Mind you, I do BIAB and I usually crush to 0.028″ but I've learned to up that to 0.032″ for an all-Wheat or Rye brew because they tend to gum up my bag slightly at the finer 'flour' crush.
 
Have you tried a thicker mash
That would reduce conversion. Braukaiser demonstrated that, but you'll have to go to the wayback machine now to find the blog. Thinner mashes = better & faster conversion. Traditional ratios take longer.
 
I haven't with the exception of the darker beers that use more grain. I start with a straight 8 gallons of spring water with whatever recipe, and I end up with 5-5.5 in the fermenter.
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I was going to use this as a starting point for a discussion for what I want and see if y'all had any suggestions.
I'm waiting for Big Bre to give me a bunch of shit about the complicated recipe, but I actually started with some of my Dubbel recipe and substituted wheat for the Otter and most of the Pilsner.
I think a Dubbelish beer might be nice with this yeast because that yeast is kind of Belgian in a way. Also, the newer White Labs Pure Pitch is about a double pitch, thus the 2 pkgs of yeast. I stopped short of using the dark candi syrup that I had in the Dubbel.
With all the shit that doesn't convert well, I am tempted to mash lower like a Belgian.
Do you target and adjust mash pH? If not, I'd highly recommend taking that leap. You'll solve conversion issues right away. If you already adjust, maybe refine the target pH per recipe. Be careful of most brewing literature's recommended targets. Always measure at the probe's reference temp, not mash temp, and verify which temp the published target is talking about. (then adjust accordingly) Strips aren't really worth the bother.
 
I haven't with the exception of the darker beers that use more grain. I start with a straight 8 gallons of spring water with whatever recipe, and I end up with 5-5.5 in the fermenter.
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I was going to use this as a starting point for a discussion for what I want and see if y'all had any suggestions.
I'm waiting for Big Bre to give me a bunch of shit about the complicated recipe, but I actually started with some of my Dubbel recipe and substituted wheat for the Otter and most of the Pilsner.
I think a Dubbelish beer might be nice with this yeast because that yeast is kind of Belgian in a way. Also, the newer White Labs Pure Pitch is about a double pitch, thus the 2 pkgs of yeast. I stopped short of using the dark candi syrup that I had in the Dubbel.
With all the shit that doesn't convert well, I am tempted to mash lower like a Belgian.
That's not too bad. 13# for 5gal is reasonable. You have over 60% high DP grains, and another 15% of Munich that can at least handle itself. The Wheat & Pilsner should easily chew up the rest.
 
Not sure where you get that Wheat has low DP. I've never seen a low spec from any malster. Briess Red & White each have 110 & 120 DP respectively. Rye is high like that too. 50% Wheat will easily convert anything you throw at the other 50%.
2 row and 6 row have 140-160. So..... Lower
 
Do you target and adjust mash pH? If not, I'd highly recommend taking that leap. You'll solve conversion issues right away. If you already adjust, maybe refine the target pH per recipe. Be careful of most brewing literature's recommended targets. Always measure at the probe's reference temp, not mash temp, and verify which temp the published target is talking about. (then adjust accordingly) Strips aren't really worth the bother.
I read something where the high water to grain ratio in a BIAB does affect the PH. I never messed with it. If it takes a little more grain, I can live with it at this level. I just want predictable.
 
2 row and 6 row have 140-160. So..... Lower
Indeed it is. I just got caught assuming a number when one wasn't stated. That drives me batty in brewing literature. (unqualified or unenumerated adjectives rather than useful and more accurately descriptive data points) I shall endeavor to do better—Apologies!
 
I read something where the high water to grain ratio in a BIAB does affect the PH. I never messed with it. If it takes a little more grain, I can live with it at this level. I just want predictable.
I don't recall that specifically, but Braukaiser might have that documented. It might be a data point that I resolved long ago and just went with it because I had already chosen the method based on equipment available. (I built-out my kettle and bought the bag before I learned how it works!)

That might also explain why sometimes the pH doesn't hit right — those could be stronger batches with more grain. Time for Science! (more brewing that is...)
 

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