Isomerization of Hops

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If isomerization starts at about 180f could we actually start adding our hops and timing them based on temperature not physical boiling? I visit CO frequently and water boils at 180f and they make beer there.
 
Where in Colorado are you visiting a town that's at 17, 000 feet elevation? That's the point at which water boils at 180F.
According to The wisdom of the internet, Leadville is the town with the highest elevation in the US at 10,430 and BP of water is about 193F according to a calculator. Denver would be 202F or so. Not an insignificant difference from the normal 212F but not 180.
Interesting question, though...I think we have do a beer swap between low-landers and high-elevation brewers using the same recipe and same hops so we can compare head to head. :)
 
that would definitely make calculating the IBU contributions ... more challenging.
 
Where in Colorado are you visiting a town that's at 17, 000 feet elevation? That's the point at which water boils at 180F.
According to The wisdom of the internet, Leadville is the town with the highest elevation in the US at 10,430 and BP of water is about 193F according to a calculator. Denver would be 202F or so. Not an insignificant difference from the normal 212F but not 180.
Interesting question, though...I think we have do a beer swap between low-landers and high-elevation brewers using the same recipe and same hops so we can compare head to head. :)
Well I visit my daughter who lives at about 8k feet and the water boils at 180
 
that would definitely make calculating the IBU contributions ... more challenging.
But, wait!!! In the equipment profiles, there's a box to fill in for elevation...That should account for boil temp and difference in IBU calculation. :)
 
Isomerization starts at 180
This is not like flipping a switch. I'm not sure of an exact temperature like 180 F or anything else but I get the feeling that some isomerization can happen as low as like 140 F or maybe even 130 F, it's just very very slow at these temperatures. About 170-180 F is a common range to extract a lot of flavor with not so much bitterness while preserving many aromatics that will in fact boil off above around 180-190 F.
 
Well I visit my daughter who lives at about 8k feet and the water boils at 180
I guess if it does, it does, calculators be damned!!! :)

There's an IBU calculator here on the site that accounts for elevation and it definitely shows lower IBU contribution for he same amount of hops boiled for an hour. Isomerization may start at 180 but I guess the percentage of utilization increases with temp.

So... your original question of temp vs time is valid and I think the answer that you just have to calculate a different percentage of utilization. It would appear that a 1 hour whirlpool or hopstand at 180 would definitely contribute to IBU total but substantially less than a 1-hour boil at 212 or even a hotter temp in the whirlpool or hopstand. It stands to reason that if water boils at 180, it won't get to a higher temp without pressure. Utilization percentage doesn't seem to be built into the recipe calculator and requires an input, based on estimate I suppose.

I propose an experiment next time you're in CO. Try boiling a gallon of wort as usual with a measure of hops and do the same with a gallon of wort under slight pressure to raise the temp. If you could get a direct taste comparison of bitterness between the two temps, it would really illuminating. :)
 
I guess if it does, it does, calculators be damned!!! :)

There's an IBU calculator here on the site that accounts for elevation and it definitely shows lower IBU contribution for he same amount of hops boiled for an hour. Isomerization may start at 180 but I guess the percentage of utilization increases with temp.

So... your original question of temp vs time is valid and I think the answer that you just have to calculate a different percentage of utilization. It would appear that a 1 hour whirlpool or hopstand at 180 would definitely contribute to IBU total but substantially less than a 1-hour boil at 212 or even a hotter temp in the whirlpool or hopstand. It stands to reason that if water boils at 180, it won't get to a higher temp without pressure. Utilization percentage doesn't seem to be built into the recipe calculator and requires an input, based on estimate I suppose.

I propose an experiment next time you're in CO. Try boiling a gallon of wort as usual with a measure of hops and do the same with a gallon of wort under slight pressure to raise the temp. If you could get a direct taste comparison of bitterness between the two temps, it would really illuminating. :)
would the boil off rate be affected as well? Not that I plan on moving there, or going to a higher altitude to prove or disprove the calculator’s accuracy.

It’s important to keep in mind, the calculator, All in One instruction sets, data on the bags of malt, hops and yeast packages are very much like the Pirate Code(™) ; ike guidelines than actual rules.
 
Well when I'm visiting i dont brew beer but I do pour over coffee and my pour over kettle has a thermometer because I extract coffee between 180 and 200 degrees. Not only does it boil at 180 it takes a long time to get there
 
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I would think at 180 you won't get as much hop extraction as a higher temperature so you would need more. Im going to look for that temperature calculator you mentioned
 
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well I did look at the calculator. At my elevation here in CT get 97% hop utilization at 5000 it's 85%. I believe that must be because of the boiling temp. Of course that would mean it would really be a problem brewing a kit beer. You would need to adjust the recipes off the internet also.
 
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well I did look at the calculator. At my elevation here in CT get 97% hop utilization at 5000 it's 85%. I believe that must be because of the boiling temp. Of course that would mean it would really be a problem brewing a kit beer. You would need to adjust the recipes off the internet also.
The difference in 10 percent of the IBU total would mean 5 points out of 50 in a pretty hoppy beer. In lagers and blondes, more like 2 or 3 points. That's probably not enough to really mess with the flavor too much. Easy enough to adjust with boil length. Just brew as instructed and leave the kettle on for an extra 5 or 10 minutes before flameout and chill. Whirlpool would be same percentage of isomerization no matter where you are. :)
 
Well just a mental exercise. The whole thing started with a conversation with another brewer who was concerned that the boil stopped when he put in his IC. I said it wouldn't matter. So I checked my boil temperature and the drop of it when I put my IC in I realized that the wort is actually boiling at a higher temperature than water because of the sugars. So the physical boil stopped but never went lower than the 212
 

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