English IPA

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  1. gokcenami

    gokcenami New Member

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    I'm trying to develop an English IPA recipe for months. I'm close to what I want but I still need to get rid of some flavors that I don't fancy. The problem is I can't find East Kent Golding in my country so I use straight Golding. I used both Fuggle and Golding in boil and dry hop because I read somewhere that they were used together and now I'm not sure which creates the harsh grassy flavor. It has a floral flavor and aroma to it, which I love and I want to make it more signifcant without the harsh grassy flavor. I decided to use Fuggle for aroma and dry hop additions but I'm not sure. Also what do you think of the 30 minute Golding addition? Is it unnecessary? I use 30 minute average AA hops in my Pale Ale (like Perle) but don't know if it's necessary for this one. Also I had US-05 before and I had to use that one but now I have S-04 so it will taste more like the original style however I feel like it's not that relevant about the hop flavors.

    The original recipe with the harsh grassy flavor:
    https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/764144/english-ipa
    The new recipe I'm working on:
    https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/813946/english-ipa-v2

    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. okoncentrerad

    okoncentrerad Active Member

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    I know some people doesn't like fuggles, some do... I guess you will learn if you like it or not. I think the amount of dry hop is a bit too much though, personally I would cut it down quite a lot.
     
  3. gokcenami

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    The one before I used 28g for 3 days and there wasn't enough aroma. Then I used 56g for 8 days, aroma was fine but there was a very harsh grssy flavor. Some experts say 3.8g/l and I got an advice to dry hop for 3 days so I raised it to 72 grams for 3 days in my next recipe. What do you suggest? Did you brew English IPA before?
     
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    I've done a few English IPA, but what suits me perhaps doesnt suit you. If/when I dry hop these ales I probably have (at maximum) about 1g/L.
     
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    dry hop for how many days?
     
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    3 days usually
     
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    OK thanks!
     
  8. Iliff Avenue Brewhouse

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    I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything very favorable about fuggles but personally have never used them before. Looks like you’ll get a good feel for them in this batch.
     
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    I'd look at the Target bittering hop. Some high-alpha English hops can be harsh. Even though it's not an "English" hop, Magnum is a perfect bittering hop, being supremely smoothe and having plenty of presence to support the flavor of other hops.
    The grassiness is probably coming off of the dry-hop. Dropping the time from 8 days to 3 should help. Maybe you could try to find an cross-bred hop like Willammette which is an excellent hop for dry-hopping.
    Alternately, you could try skipping the dry-hopping altogether and just put a lot of hops in a whirlpool addition. I think of English IPAs as primarily bitter and not quite as aromatic as American IPAs. You'll still get plenty of hop aroma from a whirlpool but none of the vegetal grassiness associated with dry-hopping.
     
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    Grassy notes can be the result of too long of contact with the dry hops. 3-5 days is enough time to get all the benefit of the dry hops and short enough to avoid grassyness. I think all hops can impart the grassyness but some may be more prone to it.
     
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    I'll add have you tried as above a short post primary 3-4 day dry hop before packaging then keg hopping using a stainless hop canister or as I use a hop ball. I've found whirlpool 80c 20mins then the above spread out dry hopping delivers bang for your buck when it comes to dry hoping with less Grassiness.
     
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    I’d bet it’s the hop type. I dry hop all the time for 7 days without any ill effects. Usually though the hops stay in the keg until it’s kicked. Never had an issue with grassy/vegetal notes.
     
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    Which one do you think causes the grassy flavor?
    Fuggle or Golding? Fuggle is 4.5 but the Golding I've found here is 6.2 AA.
    I've read somewhere that dry-hopping with low AAs could give nasty flavors. But people dry hop with Fuggle. My mistake was using both of them, now I can't say which is which :(
     
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    I've never seen problems with low-alpha hops. Some just have better aromatic qualities. Cascade can easily be as low as 4.5 or so and that's a supreme hop for dry-hopping.
    Those hops you used are often used together. Hop combo is not your issue. Gassy flavor can come from just about any hop. A lot might depend on how fresh and how they've been kept. Ideally, you'd have hops from a recent harvest that have been stored cold or preferably frozen in their original packaging.
    Just try again with a different process or fresher hops and see if you still get objectionable flavors. Everybody's tastes are different.
     
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    To be honest I thought most English hops were supposed to have grassy notes. I can’t comment on specific varieties. I think of ekg as more grassy and fuggles more earthy but that’s just from reading others experiences
     
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    "Grassy" is generally from too much contact time with the hops and is generally a flaw. If that is we're talking about the same flavor, the one described as an off-flavor in the BJCP guidelines.
     
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    Sounds good. Months of contact time with keg hops has never given me grassy flavors but I must be the exception.
     

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