Saison ruined?

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  1. Øllemann

    Øllemann New Member

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    At bach 7 I'm still a rookie it seems. Recipe below.

    Problem: The pacific jade hops smells fantastic but I should have calculated for the high bitterness. My IBU is through the roof for a saison. But have I ruined the beer by using too much hops? :oops:

    Title: Rainy Saison
    Batch Size: 24 liters (
    STATS:
    Original Gravity: 1.062
    Final Gravity: 1.007 ?
    ABV (standard): 7.18%
    IBU (tinseth): 67.13
    FERMENTABLES:
    5.3 kg - German - Pilsner (71.6%)
    1.5 kg - German - Wheat Malt (20.3%)
    0.6 kg - German - Munich Light (8.1%)
    HOPS:
    35 g - Pacific jade, Type: Pellet, AA: 13, Use: Boil for 60 min, IBU: 45.91
    30 g - Pacific jade, Type: Pellet, AA: 13, Use: Boil for 15 min, IBU: 19.53
    30 g - Pacific jade, Type: Pellet, AA: 13, Use: Boil for 1 min, IBU: 1.7
    OTHER INGREDIENTS:
    5 g - szechuan pepper, Time: 1 min, Type: Spice, Use: Boil
    1.5 each - dried lime,Iran, crushed, Time: 1 min, Type: Flavor, Use: Boil
    30 g - lemongrass, cut, Time: 1 min, Type: Flavor, Use: Boil
    YEAST:
    Wyeast - French Saison 3711
     
  2. Head First

    Head First Well-Known Member

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    RDWHAHB Letters to live by. You say 1.007? That's about what to expect from Saison yeast but it can drop more. How long has it been fermenting? You have a lot of stuff in there with a yeast that leaves a lot of flavor.
    I have a recipe for a stout with 335 IBU's and with time it is fantastic. If it finishes and still is too strong for your taste, wait a few more months. Give the beer time to blend together. In the mean time make another batch :D .
     
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    i agree with giving it some time to age. out of curiosity, what was your BU/GU for this recipe? that might give you a rough idea if the hops outweigh the malts. there's a ton more variables than that, but it's a place to start

    also, where did you get the idea for all those Other Ingredients? i don't know if i was even thinking along those lines at my 7th batch
     
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    Agreed, I have no idea where to start with this recipe. But give it time. Saisons are notorious for taking a while to come into their own.
     
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    Thanks for good advice! And for teaching me about BU/GU ratio.

    The beer has been plopping away for 6 days now at the same pace. Smells good! I think my platoon of saison yeast is going to push the gravity down far below 1010. Sadly my BU/GU is at 1.08. and this seems to turn into a bitter little misfit. Hoping it's still drinkable after a while. Might even taste good.

    The idea was to have a fun beer to go along With my Vietnamese PHO Soup dinner party. Some of the ingredients I got the idea from this recipe: http://www.7fjellbryggeri.com/brewourlyderhorn

    szechuan pepper and dried lime, seem to fit together fine :) :idea: Althought, for my Next beer I wil not mess around With other than malt and hops and water.
     
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    No yeast? Are you going for an immaculate fermentation? ;)
    There is something to be said for simple beers, but then again nothing wrong with loading up on some weird ingredients and flavors. It sounds like you had a clear end goal in mind, which helps to reverse engineer the recipe.
    And even a bad batch can be a good learning tool
     
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    Interesting recipe!! Like the direction the szechuan and lemongrass are going. Reminds me of Thai coconut soup I just went on a crusade to obtain all the stuff I needed for it (lemongrass, lime, thai chili paste, galangal, etc). Yummy stuff.

    And he mentioned yeast, jmcnamara, unless it was added to the original post later...
     
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    6 weeks later: A Clear, Straw-yellow brew. something citrusy in the background, typical saison profile but not overwhelming yeasty (fermented at moderate temps). Bottled at 1009 gravity seems to have stabilised but might creep down a bit more so i Carbonated gently With sugar.

    Bitterness not all that bad! Pacific jade hop is said to give a round bitterness. Definetely a refreshing brew, getting better every week :D
     

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