Do Other Ingredient additions account for Liquid under the FB?

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Im trying an All-In-One brew setup and I have 2gal of drainable liquid under the basket I have to account for. It seems to be included in quick water requirements but not in the brew steps. In the equipment profile it says that this volume is to be added to the strike volume, manually. Ok. It would be nice for that to be added to the brew steps as total strike volume needed. My question: Are the mash water additions like CC, Gypsum, and Acid being calculated with that additional 2gal of strike water in mind or just the base strike volume based on mash thickness entered?
 
Im trying an All-In-One brew setup and I have 2gal of drainable liquid under the basket I have to account for. It seems to be included in quick water requirements but not in the brew steps. In the equipment profile it says that this volume is to be added to the strike volume, manually. Ok. It would be nice for that to be added to the brew steps as total strike volume needed. My question: Are the mash water additions like CC, Gypsum, and Acid being calculated with that additional 2gal of strike water in mind or just the base strike volume based on mash thickness entered?

I'm trying to understand your question. Since it's an AIO, and I assume you're circulating, it should be in the strike water and all strike water is treated. Are you sparging? I usually do a no-sparge (but not always) in my AIO and I treat all of the water at the same time. You can add a line to your brew steps if it's different than what you want, if I understand this right.
 
I'm trying to understand your question. Since it's an AIO, and I assume you're circulating, it should be in the strike water and all strike water is treated. Are you sparging? I usually do a no-sparge (but not always) in my AIO and I treat all of the water at the same time. You can add a line to your brew steps if it's different than what you want, if I understand this I came up way short on the initial strike volume on my first brew attempt. I noticed after the brew that the equipment profile I setup for the AIO for mash tun addition says (To be added to the strike volume.

When I set up the new equipment profile, the Mash Tun Addition (volume under the basket) said in addition to the strike volume. In brew steps I only had 4.4g of strike water for a mash with 14lbs. I came up way short and had to adjust it on the fly. I was thinking that if I had to manually add that 2g to my strike volume, would the Acid etc. additions also have to be manually adjusted.
I must not have saved or updated something in equipment correctly. I just went back and Steps and Quick Water adjusted the total strike volume to include to 2gal under the basket. 6.4g Strike :rolleyes::D:) ....I do do a sparge so the addition is just to the mash tun.
 
I missed on everything, but I think I have the equipment numbers closer now. I assumed a longer mash would be needed to get full conversion. I got clear wort at 60min but numbers were still a little low even at 90min. I'm wondering if the lower BHE with these are in the Mash or because of the limited sparge.
 
I missed on everything, but I think I have the equipment numbers closer now. I assumed a longer mash would be needed to get full conversion. I got clear wort at 60min but numbers were still a little low even at 90min. I'm wondering if the lower BHE with these are in the Mash or because of the limited sparge.

Depending on the recipe and temperatures, most mashes are converted long before 60 minutes. If you got a low efficiency, that could be related to so many things from inadequate stirring, channeling (mash or sparge), crush, the amount of grain, etc.

I notice sometimes in my AIO, the mash may compact if I recirculate too fast so even something like that can be the issue.
 
https://www.brewersfriend.com/forum/threads/all-in-one-brewhouse-help-thread.17832/

When I set up the new equipment profile, the Mash Tun Addition (volume under the basket) said in addition to the strike volume. In brew steps I only had 4.4g of strike water for a mash with 14lbs. I came up way short and had to adjust it on the fly. I was thinking that if I had to manually add that 2g to my strike volume, would the Acid etc. additions also have to be manually adjusted.
I must not have saved or updated something in equipment correctly. I just went back and Steps and Quick Water adjusted the total strike volume to include to 2gal under the basket. 6.4g Strike :rolleyes::D:) ....I do do a sparge so the addition is just to the mash tun.

That is low, for 14# I use a minimum of 6 gallons and generally I use 7. This gets me a mash that is able to be stirred, but still 'thick', I can recirculate easily and at completion of the mash I should have ~ 5 - 5.5 gallons of wort. I sparge for the rest.

AIO systems aren't generally as efficient as the 'old school' brewers. I usually have not fully extracted or extracted enough at 60 minutes. I'm close to at numbers by 80-90 minutes usually.
 
Thanks for the feedback. I did fix the issue in the original post with strike volume. I’ll have to experiment a bit to get the most out of it. (Unibrau 10g pot/basket that I built up with my parts) Maybe try a sparge arm and adjust recirculation speed.. Might play with crush a little bit and try to maximize the sparge & boil for a bump in BH efficiency. Otherwise it functioned well.
 
Thanks for the feedback. I did fix the issue in the original post with strike volume. I’ll have to experiment a bit to get the most out of it. (Unibrau 10g pot/basket that I built up with my parts) Maybe try a sparge arm and adjust recirculation speed.. Might play with crush a little bit and try to maximize the sparge & boil for a bump in BH efficiency. Otherwise it functioned well.
yeah, if you look at the AIO help thread, there's a bunch of stuff on this.
For the crush, if you're doing BIAB, fine crush. Most say 'credit card' width and that's good for regular 2/6 row grains and similar sized. wheat & rye especially need a finer crush. If you are ordering the grains crushed, ask to double crush them. If you have your own mill, do only same sized grains at once. My old mill drove me bat shít crazy with the single roller hitting different sized grains and "stalling"by not picking up new grains until I got it unstuck.
For as often as I brew, I dumped a few hundred in a Spike mill. I've never had a mash bill take longer than ~6 minutes on the spike mill, most are much shorter. On that, credit card is ~ setting 4, I use 3.75 and for rye I use 2.5

I am not sure what the Unibrau has by way of sparge 'tools', but I have recently observed that by going immediately from mash out to sparge, quickly, using HOT water - just under 180; keeps my grain bed from losing too much temperature, especially in the middle. I've found that I lose much less gravity in the sparge with my system.

For recirculation: I recirc starting as soon as the mash is settled, all the way through mash out. I stop to periodically stir the mash, and a few times I lift the grain basket, let it drain about 30 seconds, re-seat it, stir it and resume recirc. The recirculation helps keep the grain a more consistent temperature than without and closer to the set kettle temp. I try to recirculate as fast as the grain bed will let me.
 
Here’s my setup. Thanks for the tips. It had 2lbs rye so good point there. I typically double mill rye malt at the same gap but forgot to. That might be worth a couple points. I’m not going to obsess too much but want to get the most out of it and get a good repeatable process down.
 

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