Refractometer Calculator and Recipe Editor don't come up with the same ABV ?

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Hi

I am wondering about this.

In Refractometer Calculator I enter
OG: 10 °P
FG: 5 °P
and I get
FG corrected: 2.02 °P
ABV: 4,33%

In my Recipe Editor : https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/edit/1585021 I have
OG: 10 °P
FG: 2 °P
ABV: 4,19%

Where does that 0,14% ABV difference comes from ? Recipe Editor would need 1.7 °P to get 4,34% ...

Thanks !
 
It's comes from reality.

Your mash, boil, fermentation, et all will effect the end result.

What you got was damn close
 
Wait, think I misunderstood your question after I read it again.

The refrac calc uses a calculation to approximate the FG based on a reading in the presence of alc. It's not going to be perfect. A refrac is not meant to be used after fermentation
 
Hi

I am wondering about this.

In Refractometer Calculator I enter
OG: 10 °P
FG: 5 °P
and I get
FG corrected: 2.02 °P
ABV: 4,33%

In my Recipe Editor : https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/edit/1585021 I have
OG: 10 °P
FG: 2 °P
ABV: 4,19%

Where does that 0,14% ABV difference comes from ? Recipe Editor would need 1.7 °P to get 4,34% ...

Thanks !

I can't see the refractometer calculator that you've entered those in. What is your wort correction factor? https://www.brewersfriend.com/how-to-determine-your-refractometers-wort-correction-factor/

And 2.02 P isnt exactly 2P so that is a minor difference, but still a factor in the ABV calculation, giving you 4.13. And with it being less than a .1% difference, it could account for some of that.

Determine your wort correction factor, and it should be much closer.
 
Yeah, it's a measurement tool, not a commandment etched in stone tablets.
 
My understanding is that one can ‘calibrate’ their refractometer by taking readings (with both refractometer and hydrometer) of several worts, each with different ABV, so eventually you can map ‘refractometer reading X’ with ‘real reading of Y’.

The refractometer is very consistent, but each one is just a bit different, so one ‘master’ correction factor cannot be created.

Brewers Friend offers a spreadsheet set up to track those readings and generate a correction factor.
 
I was clearly most unclear ! What I did not say is that the FG in my recipe Editor is calculated using the Refractometer calculator ! I know I should be using a hydrometer for a direct measure, but since I moved to a new town at 350 Meter altitude, my hydrometer started behaving weirdly and I gave up and have been using corrected refractometer FG readings since.
So the fact is that I necessarily have the same OG and FG in both places but do not get the same resulting ABV.
But I will surely look into the Wort correction factor which looks like the best answer to my silly questions.
Thanks !
 
Hydrometer isn't effected by altitude, unless it got crack in it
 
Hydrometer isn't effected by altitude, unless it got crack in it
I did not think it would either, but I kept having crazy readings even after being a new one, so I just ditched it for a refractometer, only to understand that I could not get direct FG readings. I should probably take some time to sort this all out ...
 
You can use your refractometer for final readings and ABV calculation. But here's the thing:

1) Brewer's Friend refractometer calculator uses the Novotny calculation, which is really only good down to 1.014 (3.5 Brix). So if your beer is now at 2.0 Brix as predicted by the software, you need to...

2) Use the Sean Terrill calculator when less than 3.5 Brix. http://seanterrill.com/2012/01/06/refractometer-calculator/

But...

3) Terrill assumes a default WCF value of 1.04, which might not be correct for your particular refractometer. Meanwhile, Brewer's Friend assumes default WCF 1.00 (i.e., no correction) unless you know better. My recommendation is to use 1.00 until you know better. Personally on mine the factor is in fact 0.995. YMMV. So.... when you use the Terrill calculator, I recommend changing the WCF to 1.00.

Doing that, your result at 5.0 Brix is likely actually 2.6 Brix in real life, which is less than 3.5 Brix, and so then using Terrill calculator, he says you're at about FG 1.010 and 3.8% ABV. But wait...

4) Terrill's ABV calculation is wrong IMO. Instead use the standard (OG - FG) * 131 = (1.040 - 1.010) * 131 = 3.9% ABV. Slightly higher than Terrill thinks. And only good to 1 decimal point. None of this is accurate at all to more decimal points than that, for heavenssakes.

Confused? Yeah, I know..... it's a mess. But accurate, if you want it to be. I swear to all that is holy. I have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours digging into all these things because I'm an extreme math nerd. I say you can trust this as being accurate. If you don't believe me, buy a hydrometer and find out.
 
Confused? Yeah, I know..... it's a mess. But accurate, if you want it to be. I swear to all that is holy. I have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours digging into all these things because I'm an extreme math nerd. I say you can trust this as being accurate. If you don't believe me, buy a hydrometer and find out.
Thanks for this very thorough answer ! It is very appreciated !
 

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