Deciding on Fall beer style

the whole idea was to go for a fall, mulled theme??? like mulled wine?
Either make a seasonal fruit sour or a spiced fruit forward beer. Even an apple spiced light lager where you add everything at packaging using an existing light lager.

But if your customers will like it, then stop asking traditional beer nerds on the internet what to do and just ask your regulars :D
 
If you want specifically do a sour, why not do something like a Granny Smith apple sour, or a tart black cherry sour
 
At least the Black Lager is done:) I have been craving those things lately, and I'm actually going to make my own version of it this weekend.
 
At least the Black Lager is done:) I have been craving those things lately, and I'm actually going to make my own version of it this weekend.
I've got a 10-gallon batch of my Dark Lager on the schedule but I keep bumping it to do smaller batches of other beers. It looks like it may be 3 weeks before I get it going. For now I'm making do with my Brown Ale but I'm really looking forward to the Lager. :)
 
I was playing around years ago with a gingerbread porter with clove nutmeg cinnamon and ginger
 
I was playing around years ago with a gingerbread porter with clove nutmeg cinnamon and ginger
i can buy "apple pie" or graham cracker flavorings those with actual spices should be sufficient to make a stout or something.
 
I tried a few different times the best version actually was tossing a handful of my wife's gingerbread men cookies in the boil
 
I've got a 10-gallon batch of my Dark Lager on the schedule but I keep bumping it to do smaller batches of other beers. It looks like it may be 3 weeks before I get it going. For now I'm making do with my Brown Ale but I'm really looking forward to the Lager. :)
The dark lager is such a great style to drink this time of year because it feels fallish , but highly drinkable when it is in the mid 80s in the afternoon.
 
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I've got a 10-gallon batch of my Dark Lager on the schedule but I keep bumping it to do smaller batches of other beers.

@J A Do you have a "lager season" there or only times of the year you can do lagers? I have a 15 gal conical fermenter and glycol chiller, so making lagers isn't the issue. Storage space is my concern. Due to space limitations, I can only store beer in my fridge, kegerators(s) or in the garage. Hard to have temperature control in the garage, especially in the summer. In winter, I can be relatively confident beer kegs will be ok here between November and March [storage temp between 45F and 55F]. Next weekend I kick off the season with a California Common, that will be followed up with Dark Lager, Lager and season ends with a Pils.
 
@J A Do you have a "lager season" there or only times of the year you can do lagers? I have a 15 gal conical fermenter and glycol chiller, so making lagers isn't the issue. Storage space is my concern. Due to space limitations, I can only store beer in my fridge, kegerators(s) or in the garage. Hard to have temperature control in the garage, especially in the summer. In winter, I can be relatively confident beer kegs will be ok here between November and March [storage temp between 45F and 55F]. Next weekend I kick off the season with a California Common, that will be followed up with Dark Lager, Lager and season ends with a Pils.
I have a similar set up as what you describe. I have a half-barrel unitank as well as a couple of smaller unis and a glycol chiller. I can pull off lager fermentation most of the year if I want to fight the heat but it's really hard when the garage temps are in the 90s pretty much round the clock. Crashing is the hard part. Everything runs constantly to get down to around 40 degrees and I'd rather have it mid-30s. And running more than one fermenter at a time can put a strain on the system. The small unis are pretty easy to cool but the half-barrel takes a lot. It's just now getting a little cooler but the garage temp is still in the 80s and we'll get a lot of days in the 90 degree range. It's much better if I stick to November through March or April for lagers.

And, yes, storage is an issue, I can handle 10 keg between my tap fridge and my storage fridge and that's usually plenty. I do double or even triple batches of lagers, though, so if I get a couple going within a month or so, I could have 3 or 4 kegs in the storage fridge even if I put a keg on tap right away from each batch. During the winter, garage temps can range from 40 to 70, sometimes in the same day, so I can't do much in the way of fermentation or storage without temp control.
 
I have a similar set up as what you describe. I have a half-barrel unitank as well as a couple of smaller unis and a glycol chiller. I can pull off lager fermentation most of the year if I want to fight the heat but it's really hard when the garage temps are in the 90s pretty much round the clock. Crashing is the hard part. Everything runs constantly to get down to around 40 degrees and I'd rather have it mid-30s. And running more than one fermenter at a time can put a strain on the system. The small unis are pretty easy to cool but the half-barrel takes a lot. It's just now getting a little cooler but the garage temp is still in the 80s and we'll get a lot of days in the 90 degree range. It's much better if I stick to November through March or April for lagers.

And, yes, storage is an issue, I can handle 10 keg between my tap fridge and my storage fridge and that's usually plenty. I do double or even triple batches of lagers, though, so if I get a couple going within a month or so, I could have 3 or 4 kegs in the storage fridge even if I put a keg on tap right away from each batch. During the winter, garage temps can range from 40 to 70, sometimes in the same day, so I can't do much in the way of fermentation or storage without temp control.
what is your glycol % at? that can make a really big difference in cooling efficiency it should be >30 brix in a refract. be sure to be conscious of what the refract is calibrated for as well.

Glycol degrades fairly quickly at hot temps. so if you buy glycol it has to be stored at house temps @ 90 degrees it will degrade very rapidly. Even concentrate.
 
@J A Do you have a "lager season" there or only times of the year you can do lagers? I have a 15 gal conical fermenter and glycol chiller, so making lagers isn't the issue. Storage space is my concern. Due to space limitations, I can only store beer in my fridge, kegerators(s) or in the garage. Hard to have temperature control in the garage, especially in the summer. In winter, I can be relatively confident beer kegs will be ok here between November and March [storage temp between 45F and 55F]. Next weekend I kick off the season with a California Common, that will be followed up with Dark Lager, Lager and season ends with a Pils.
...Crashing is the hard part. Everything runs constantly to get down to around 40 degrees and I'd rather have it mid-30s. And running more than one fermenter at a time can put a strain on the system. The small unis are pretty easy to cool but the half-barrel takes a lot. It's just now getting a little cooler but the garage temp is still in the 80s and we'll get a lot of days in the 90 degree range. It's much better if I stick to November through March or April for lagers.

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Garage mini-split system to the rescue.
I've been cold crashing with outside temps in the 90's for 3 days now, beer has not gotten above 37F with this guy set at 71F. Plus, my glycol chiller actually cycles off now ! ! ! ! :)

All in, I paid...~$1650. Once in a while I do stuff besides brew out here, so this will help for other stuff too. At least that's what I'm telling myself now.

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what is your glycol % at? that can make a really big difference in cooling efficiency it should be >30 brix in a refract. be sure to be conscious of what the refract is calibrated for as well.

Glycol degrades fairly quickly at hot temps. so if you buy glycol it has to be stored at house temps @ 90 degrees it will degrade very rapidly. Even concentrate.
I had seen this before and forgotten about it. My glycol is about a year old in non-climate controlled garage and so far I'm still getting the same temps I was when it was new. Now, that doesn't say anything about how long the chiller is running to do that.

when you say, 'should be about 30 brix' is that for only the glycol OR the mix with distilled water?
 
Garage mini-split system to the rescue.
I've been cold crashing with outside temps in the 90's for 3 days now, beer has not gotten above 37F with this guy set at 71F. Plus, my glycol chiller actually cycles off now ! ! ! ! :)

All in, I paid...~$1650. Once in a while I do stuff besides brew out here, so this will help for other stuff too. At least that's what I'm telling myself now.

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I had seen this before and forgotten about it. My glycol is about a year old in non-climate controlled garage and so far I'm still getting the same temps I was when it was new. Now, that doesn't say anything about how long the chiller is running to do that.

when you say, 'should be about 30 brix' is that for only the glycol OR the mix with distilled water?
sample the resevoir. it should read >30 brix. that is the glycol plus the water. that will save you energy and keep your machine running for longer.

you should also be using a food grade glycol with a rust inhibitor in it.


when i was talking about the storage i wasnt talking about the chiller. ours is outside in the direct sun in south ga. if the glycol is in a jug and stored hot it will rapidly degrade to water. even if the jug is sealed. our chiller/draft line guy keeps his 55gal drum of concentrate in his office for this reason lol.
 
it should be >30 brix in a refract. be sure to be conscious of what the refract is calibrated for as well.

Great advice! I'm using Propylene Glycol, so the source is 99.7% pure but reduced to manufacturer's suggestion dilution (Penguin Chillers). I filled the chiller reservoir and monitor that for "evaporation". So far, consistent with where I started.

Also, working in SG, assuming anything above 30 Brix (or 1.1292 SG) I'm good. My top end on my refractometer is 1.130 SG, and after just checking, I'm above that. Unless I'm measuring wrong, or that isn't the best way to measure? I do have an old school hydrometer, which goes up to 1.17 SG if that would be "more accurate".

Something to keep an eye on. Thanks for the awareness.

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what is your glycol % at? that can make a really big difference in cooling efficiency it should be >30 brix in a refract. be sure to be conscious of what the refract is calibrated for as well.

Glycol degrades fairly quickly at hot temps. so if you buy glycol it has to be stored at house temps @ 90 degrees it will degrade very rapidly. Even concentrate.
My glycol is pretty new and should be a good mix. The biggest hurdle in crashing is the design of the coils in my big fermenter. Unless I'm doing a full half-barrel batch and filling close to full capacity, a lot of the coils are exposed above the liquid. I'm running 27-degree glycol when I'm crashing but it's just not making contact enough to pull the liquid down efficiently. That plus the thin neoprene insulating jacket and up to 90 degree ambient just makes it hard. My 7-gallon unis with a batch that yields 5 gallon actually run pretty well and will crash down to the mid-low 30s.
 
Garage mini-split system to the rescue.
Looks awesome! Unfortunately, I live in a retirement community with "limited space" in the new home construction garages. I was lucky enough to get the Mrs. to buy off on a dedicated brew space in the garage (takes up about 20% of space available without impacting parking). I'll have to consider if I can "downsize" some things to add that additional space. Maybe her parking spot.. ;) It's all about priorities..
 
Garage mini-split system to the rescue.
I've been cold crashing with outside temps in the 90's for 3 days now, beer has not gotten above 37F with this guy set at 71F. Plus, my glycol chiller actually cycles off now ! ! ! ! :)

All in, I paid...~$1650. Once in a while I do stuff besides brew out here, so this will help for other stuff too. At least that's what I'm telling myself now.
Yeah...that may be a possibility eventually. I'd have to do some serious insulating and work out some ducts and vents. It would be easier to close off the small space where I keep the fermenters. That would limit access but I suppose if I use a 36" exterior door, it would be big enough to get stuff in and out okay.

Since I'm doing my best to work out being gone longer during the summer heat, I feel less inclined to put in the time and expense of making it a year-round brewing space and just stock the taps and fridges and let the brewhouse sit idle from May to September/October. I got in a couple of brews in early September this year, even though it was still miserably hot and now we're getting into a more reasonable temp range. Lagers are still a little tricky but if we're not getting too many days over 85, I can pull it off. Other styles are pretty easy to deal with.


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