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Solliciting wisdom here.

I've been BIAB brewing with a 8 gallon kettle, propane burner, and 10 gallon cooler. Eventually, I want to upgrade to be able to produce 10 gallon batches. My question is, does it make sense to stick with my outdoor operation, or if I'm upgrading, go ahead and upgrade into an indoor, all-in-one system? Any of you who have made the step up, what was your experience, and what would you do now knowing what you know?

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An all-in-one is only an indoor system unless you have a means to exhaust the steam. The amount of moisture produced during the boil of a 10 gallon batch would be significant.
 
Agree: boil steam is a definite concern.

I use my (8 gallon, electric) all-in-one at the edge of the garage, so rain isn’t a problem. Steam goes out the door.

Some folks here brew two batches, one after the other, into a larger fermenter. Moving 10+ gallons of liquid is a challenge for some, while two 5-gallon batches moves more easily.
 
Not to discourage you in any way, but I will share my experience.
I went from a 5 gallon BIAB process with an 8 gallon boil kettle, to a 3 vessel 10 gallon keggle system. It was a nice system, but I ended up going back to a 5 gallon system for a few reasons.
One was that the variety that I could brew became instantly limited, and I do like variety!
Two was that there was more, and bigger equipment to clean, and I am not exactly a young man anymore.
Hmmm, what was the other reason... I'm there was another reason!
 
The all in one systems are great, but come with their limitations. I use a Brewzilla 3.1.1, and it works great, but if you want to brew anything bigger than 5%, you will need something on the side for sparge water, or sparge cold. It is just simply a grain capacity issue. If I were to do it again, I would probably get the bigger 65L unit so I could do bigger beers with no sparge, but would still do 5 gallon batches.

Just remembered the third thing... the beer wasn't better...
 
Not to discourage you in any way, but I will share my experience.
I went from a 5 gallon BIAB process with an 8 gallon boil kettle, to a 3 vessel 10 gallon keggle system. It was a nice system, but I ended up going back to a 5 gallon system for a few reasons.
One was that the variety that I could brew became instantly limited, and I do like variety!
Two was that there was more, and bigger equipment to clean, and I am not exactly a young man anymore.
Hmmm, what was the other reason... I'm there was another reason!
Hey Craigerrr, not discouraged at all. This is exactly the type of insight I'm looking for. Thank you!
 
I’ll wade into this one as well since I have been 10 gallon batch capable for a few years now.

I went from extract kits to partial mash to all in one to multiple kettles - where I’m at now.
I started all in one / BIAB brewing in an Anvil 10.5 gallon kettle. Picked up a spare 110v, 9 gallon kettle on sale for $99 on a Black Friday and rocked this setup until the Anvil 18 gallon went on sale.

I find that the 18 gallon kettle is more powerful and thus faster and easier on the brew day schedule and a touch more efficient than the 10.5 gallon. I began using the 18 gallon and 10.5 together so I mash and boil in the 18, but sparge from the 10.5. The sparging definitely helps the efficiency but costs time. If I took the efficiency hit, I could save ... 1.5-ish hours maybe.

Obviously the equipment is bigger, heavier and longer to clean.
I started indoors and was quickly banished to outdoor brewing. when I moved in 2020, I secured storage for my beer stuff and had an outside circuit wired in. Then, I built a metal out building; Garage, dance hall, brewery, shop and hangout. This gave me 220v flexibility, and more room, so I added a pair of full sized fridges, and increased my tap count to 9.

Now, if I had enough demand, I’d do 10 gallon batches, but as it stands I just don’t have the demand for it, so I do 5 gallon batches; well... I generally target about 6.25 gallons post boil, which lets me transfer about 5.8 gallons to the fermenter with minimal sediment or trub so that when fermentation is completed if everything goes to plan, I have just a touch more than 5 gallons of usable beer, again with minimal sediment.

If the brew does not go to plan, blame @Josh Hughes

Just remembered the third thing... the beer wasn't better...
This I partially agree with. It’s hard to do an apples to apples comparison since I learn new stuff practically every brew day. I would say that my beer is better, but is it better because I’m configured for 10 gallon batches? No. My beer is better likely because I’ve made plenty of mistakes, corrected them and applied what I learned on previous brew days. My equipment now does make brewing simpler, easier and more efficient in my estimation. That is to say, it works well for me.

My last purchases for brewing have been in the direction of making the brew day better. I got a pressure capable fermenter last year and glad I did. I also got a riptide pump, which is huge, but moves a ton of liquid. I’ve been jonesing to try this out in a NEIPA whirlpool since purchasing but that’s going to have to wait until I have kegs to fill. At the moment I only have room for 1 more 2.5 or 5 gallon keg in the fridges. I do have kegs to clean and I would really like to do something with the German lager yeast I have on hand... but we’ll see.

I also agree with the steam comment, you will still be boiling for an hour + so if you are indoors you’ll need ventilation.
 
When I decided to go to an all-in-one system (Anvil Foundry 10.5) I seriously considered moving up to 10 gallon batches. I bought a load of corny kegs cheap years ago and have never used them all! But I got to thinking and a 10 gallon brew needs a bigger fermenter, and makes a kegging day more complex with two kegs to attend to. In the end, the additional cost and the large batch issues made me go for 5 gallons - and I am glad I did. In cool weather I can have two beers in a fermenter (I use a plastic bucket as the 2nd - I can cool the conical) and once I have the kegerator full in the spring with 3 kegs, I can easily keep up brewing 5 gallons every 2 weeks!

I guess the bottom line was "what do I do with all that beer?"

I should add that I rarely brew anything over about 5% ABV and the Foundry 10.5 using the malt pipe handles this just fine! My guess is if you are heading for high alcohol levels, the bigger 18 gallon Foundry may be a good idea, even if only brewing 5 gallons! YMMV
 

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