Yea but that's the weird thing, no matter what grain bill I put that matches the color, it will never even get me close to the estimation made by (1), which leads me to think that one of the two calculators (most likely (1)) is just broken and it would maybe be best to just remove it to avoid...

Hey guys, I'm having serious issues trying to estimate my mash pH using the advanced water chemistry tool. As you know there are two ways to estimate it: (1) using the beer color and grist weight and (2) using the malt bill. I have tried it with several recipes, and (1) always gives me 0.2-0.3...