Many thanks Yooper,i will try that. My main concern is if this is going to mean i have to change my customized brew steps in the boil section(for my hop additions)every time i do a different recipe? Previously all timed hop additions from recipe(s) carried over into the customized brew...

'In the boil section- All boil steps;selecting this option will toogle all boil steps' Was deleted and i assume this is why all my timed addition have been deleted from my boil brew steps.

I've inadvertently deleted the timers for my hop additions, any ideas how to get it back into my brew steps. They were there yesterday but I was having issues with my mash timers that I ended up having to enter manually and had a dopey moment and deleted all boil timer steps. cheers toot