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I have been reading numerous posts about this..simply because I'm an ale brewer and have a free pack of lager yeast ..everyone complains of off flavors and this and that..hmm um..there wasn't much control years ago..I'm sure Budweiser didn't taste like piss and rice syrup solids and beechwood sawdust a hundred years ago..it probably was good..now that being said I'm going to make a split batch with my free brew ferm lager yeast and one with leftover yeast cake..yes trub and all..