Hot / cold break

Discussion in 'Beginners Brewing Forum' started by yegnal, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. yegnal

    yegnal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2017
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    I was thinking of pointing my dip tube up and leaving behind about a gallon of wort in the pot. This gallon hopefully containing all the hot and cold break, after allowing it to settle, so not to put it into primary..

    My efforts to eliminate break in the primary by other means havn't been successful, this may work but I'm not sure if it's wise and fairly certain it's inefficient.
     
  2. jeffpn

    jeffpn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2015
    Messages:
    3,240
    Likes Received:
    1,557
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That’s the theory that I use. I have a spigot that’s about 1” off the bottom. I like to let it sit for 3-4 hours before I drain the kettle into the primary for that reason.
     
  3. yegnal

    yegnal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2017
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    The other concern I have is when adjusting my beersmith equipment profile to leave 1 gallon behind causing a 1 gallon dilution of the wort to account for the volume, but beersmith is still anticipating the same gravity..

    It should be slightly less.
     
  4. Trialben

    Trialben Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2016
    Messages:
    9,453
    Likes Received:
    9,525
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Pest control tech
    Location:
    Palmwoods QLD
    i transfer mostly everything i let it sort itself out in the fermentor but hardly ever leave beer on the trub longer than 3 weeks in fermentor.
     
    Korpimallas and Mase like this.
  5. Mase

    Mase Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,772
    Likes Received:
    2,116
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Same here. Everything goes from the Boil Kettle to the fermenter through a hop filter. No kettle losses for me!
     
    Trialben likes this.
  6. easypickin

    easypickin New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2017
    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Location:
    Gainesville, FL
    What do you use for a hop filter?
     
    J A likes this.
  7. J A

    J A Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2016
    Messages:
    3,476
    Likes Received:
    2,694
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Austin, Texas
    Break material in the kettle is your friend...let the yeast have access to it. Stop throwing away perfectly good beer. Kettle loss of 10 to 20 percent is a high price to pay. It's different in a commercial brewing situation, but on a homebrew scale we can easily deal with the break material in the trub layer once it's fermented. If you don't use a hop bag and go commando, you gotta do something to keep that from gumming up the works but otherwise don't sweat it.
    We should make a post with a survey and pin it to the top of the page...this discussion comes up every few weeks. :D
     
  8. Mase

    Mase Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,772
    Likes Received:
    2,116
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    #8 Mase, Feb 18, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2018
    I have a couple of these. They are thoroughly cleaned and sanitized between brewdays and this is the only thing I use them for. The photo shows clear wort. But at the beginning and at the end of the transfer between BK and FV, it runs pretty full of break and hop debris.

    https://www.morebeer.com/products/drawstring-mesh-bag-6-8.html

    I’ve attached a photo of when we use it between the Boil Kettle and the fermenter.

    Ps Photo is of our Kolsch that is almost all gone.
     

    Attached Files:

  9. Mark D Pirate

    Mark D Pirate Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2016
    Messages:
    1,887
    Likes Received:
    1,280
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master carpenter , all round good guy
    Location:
    Radelaide SA , Australia
    A kettle fining like whirlfloc and a decent whirlpool give me solid results , I don't mind a little cold break making it to FV but I do try to avoid hop matter getting in
     
    J A likes this.
  10. yegnal

    yegnal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2017
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    I use a nylon bag / hop spider so hop matter is not an issue.
     
  11. Mase

    Mase Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,772
    Likes Received:
    2,116
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I have a hop spider as well, but there was no difference... so less work and all the wort! Win win!
     
  12. Mark D Pirate

    Mark D Pirate Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2016
    Messages:
    1,887
    Likes Received:
    1,280
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master carpenter , all round good guy
    Location:
    Radelaide SA , Australia
    I gave up on hop spiders / bags , still had hop matter coming through from pellets .
    If I'm using whole cones I use a bag though
     
  13. BOB357

    BOB357 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2018
    Messages:
    3,998
    Likes Received:
    7,329
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Fallon, Nevada
    If the brew has more than a couple ounces of hops I use a spider. For several years I used a bazooka screen as well and left about 6 qts. of break laden wort in the kettle. I recently started recirculating and got a dip tube that draws from against the side and right on the bottom. Transferring a lot more trub but saving over 1/2 gallon of wort too. Not having a problem with the trub/hop matter in the fermenter. It settles out into a solid cake with the yeast.

    Here are links to some pretty neat parts I used for the kettle build:

    http://www.norcalbrewingsolutions.com/store/Whirlpool-Recirculation-Tube-Weldless-NPT.html
    https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/diptube_whirlpool.htm
    https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/hexnippremium.htm

    Here's another find I'll use for BIAB once the warmer months arrive:

    https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/biabbottom15.htm
     
    Korpimallas likes this.
  14. Hawkbox

    Hawkbox Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,756
    Likes Received:
    2,984
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    IT Manager
    Location:
    Edmonton
    I use a hop sock that is nylon from the brew bag guys, but that;s mostly to reduce the particulate. I transfer the whole kettle to the fermentor after though. The hot/cold break is nothing to worry about, with a good cold crash/gelatin fine it all settles to the bottom anyway.
     
    Trialben and Mase like this.
  15. Korpi Brewery

    Korpi Brewery Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2018
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Gender:
    Male
    What type of filter do you use? I've tried mesh, cloth and steel strainers. They clog up after the first quart. I reckon this is mainly the trub from hop pellets. filter2.jpg
     
  16. Hawkbox

    Hawkbox Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2017
    Messages:
    3,756
    Likes Received:
    2,984
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    IT Manager
    Location:
    Edmonton
    That's primarily why I use the bag when I boil so the hop residue is in the bag and then I squeeze the bag out. Though with pellets they would likely go through the dip tube without much issue.
     
  17. Korpi Brewery

    Korpi Brewery Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2018
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Gender:
    Male
    We too use the hop sock (mesh bag), which let's out the nastiest little trub, whilst keeping in the big flaky stuff.
     
  18. Mase

    Mase Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,772
    Likes Received:
    2,116
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    See reply number 8 above. Yes.... I have a couple hops bags that my wife and I play tag team on cleaning and sanitizing throughout the transfer. The first and last quarter of the transfer has a lot of debris, but approx half runs clear. I suppose I could buy a few more nylon hop bags and just clean them all at once as the bags are pretty inexpensive, but our system works for us. As Hawkbox states above, he uses a bag during the boil. We used to, but the hop spider got in the way when calming down the boil during hop or other additions. To each his/her own. Either way, you get ALL the wort into the fermenter. You work hard to create it.... why dump it?
     
  19. dankbrewing@gmail.com

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2017
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    35
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Location:
    Oregon
    I would not give much thought to the trub that flows on to the fermentor. Doesn't really cause any trouble. I do have a screen in my kettle to keep the leaf hops behind. I put all the pellet hops into the spider to keep them from plugging up my screen. This seems to work well.
     

Share This Page

arrow_white